As MM is (auto)luffing into tack, MOTHSTER bears off, unabling MM to keep clear. MOTHSTER breaks R16.1.

MM

System Info:MacroMagic was given a pen at t=300 (RE:Rule 18 - Mark room (!!)).    MacroMagic raised the P flag at=302.  


pen: protester
spin: none

As you can see I gave Chorrsplot and Marco Magic Plenty of room for there rounding. I tacked, I chose my course and it was then Marco Magic tacked into me.

Sorry MOTHSTER, but I respectfully disagree. After your tack, you made a significant course change (bearing off to -86,52 ). As I already had initiated my tack (keeping clear), there was no room for me to avoid collision. Had you continued your initial course after your tack (-67,52), I would have kept clear. With your course change, you denied me room to keep clear, thus breaking R16.1.

MM

Preliminary period ends, no aggreement. Protest enters the Protest Room standard procedure.

Mothster is entitled to keep bearing off after Moth's tack as long as he is leaving you room to keep clear, even if that room is to bear away behind his stern.
If you have room to keep clear by tacking inside, then he has to stop bearing away once you commence tack.
So the real test is if he had held course once you were tacking, would there have been contact..allowing for reasonable reaction times for him to respond to your tack.

Its close but I think Magic may just have got in there.

I would say that Macro reaches CHC and ROW but breaks 15 and is not entitled to mark room thus does not get exonoration for this.

When Moth alters course MM could abort his tack and go below still

W

Wibroe,

At the moment Moth changes course, MM is already 20 degrees above CHC. Throw in a little reaction time, and MM would have been 10-15 degrees away from HTW. Aborting then (isn't that considered an advanced move btw?) would have left him almost dead in the water, with incoming boats from port and starboard. I truly think this was not a feasible option.

I concur with VMK: unresolved is fair to both parties imho.

MM

Although the moderators know more about conducting these protest hearings than I do, I don't think that these unresolved protests are valid decisions for protest committees.

Q&A 11 states that protest committees are to "find facts" and find a slight imbalance in probabilities, however, small.

Macromagic didn't need to file a protest to know that their was an unresolved situation. As a sailor, having been in the protest room many times, nothing frustrates me more than this type of decision.

I think that the sailx protest room is a great tool, and I have a lot of respect for the moderators and the system. I just think that these 'unresolved' decisions a way for the pc to dismiss a close protest.

Both the moderators here think that MM was right. DSQ Macro and you're probably making the right call. Fail to DSQ Macro and you're probably making the wrong call.

Hi squidward,

Sailx SI's modify the RRS reqarding closing protests. If you wish to continue the discussion about closing as unresolved please open a thread in the general Forum. Thanks!

Aloha!

squidward wrote:
[quote]. I just think that these 'unresolved' decisions a way for the pc to dismiss a close protest.

Both the moderators here think that MM was right. DSQ Macro and you're probably making the right call. /quote]

1. One moderator (me) thinks that MarcoM has it by a slight margin. Another moderator thinks that Moth has it by a slight margin.
2. I posed the question about facts and there was no response from the parties for four days.
3. Squid posts that MM was right and should be disqualified.

As far as learning from this protest. Here is what the parties should take away.

We have the luxury of a replay on the racelet in sailx which you don't get on the real race course. On the real race course, I have no doubt that MacroM should have taken Moths stern to avoid risk of dsq. The facts would have placed such an onus on MacroM that on the balance of probabilities however small, MacroM would have been dsq.

HOWEVER we have a replay, and applying the rules strictly to the replay, I find it too close to call. If I was forced to rule one way I would rule in favor of MacroM . Moth's course should be judged by the course once MacroM has reached HTW. If Moth had held that course Macro M may just have been able to complete the tack without infringing rule 15.

Once again: Too close to call. Unresolved.MMs points reinstated but Moth not dsq

The alternative is to dsq Moth.